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How to Play Basketball Overseas - Step by Step Guide
The goal of any athlete is to make a living playing the sport they love. In basketball, if you don’t make it to the NBA or the NBA G League, there are hundreds of other leagues around the world where you can live out your dreams of making good money playing basketball. This step-by-step guide will break down the steps on how to play basketball overseas.
Table of Contents
Step 1:
Play at the highest level in your home country
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You need experience playing at the highest level to get the most interest from teams overseas. So your goal should be to make it to the top level wherever you are currently living and playing.
American Players
Ncaa D1 – Teams overseas know that there is a ranking system in the USA that has Ncaa D1 at the top followed by Ncaa D2 and Ncaa D3. NAIA is still not completely clear to a lot of teams overseas but can still provide good experience.
Canadian USPORTS is becoming more known to teams across the pond. The Canadian NBL is a great option for quality experience.
Juco and high school experience is usually not enough to get serious interest from teams overseas. That is if you are not ranked in the nation such as LaMelo Ball or Brandon Jennings. Go for a 4 year University program at the highest level possible.
AAU and shoe sponsored club teams will help you get exposure to Universities but will rarely get you enough exposure to get overseas.
If your time has passed with University eligibility or it’s just not for you, the best option is getting on a semi-pro team. Make sure you read the last section of the article if you fall under this category.
International Players
Club Teams – For International players, this is the only way to play basketball competitively. Work to get on the best club team in your city or town.
Junior National Team – Your goal should be to play for your country’s national team. The senior team would be the ultimate goal but junior teams will get you exposure.
Step 2: Get Stats
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If you go Ncaa D1 and don’t get any minutes, struggle to get stats, then you will also struggle to get interest from teams overseas.
Go D2 and be an All-American. That will get you great playing experience, and quality stats, which could lead to a professional contract.
NCAA, NAIA, USPORTS, international club teams and leagues; got those numbers up while adding value to your team.
Make sure you know where to locate your stats. Keep track of them and add them to your resume at the end of every season.
Step 3: Get Video
Game film is your way to show your talent, athleticism and decision making skills to teams around the world. Video is the 2nd step in your search of how to play basketball overseas.
One Highlight Per Season – Sum up every season you play with a highlight. Teams, coaches, agents…like to get a quick glimpse of how you move and shoot. This will peak their interest and get them to consider watching some of your full games.
Two Full Gamesper Season – This is pretty self explanatory but you need two full games per season played. this is a minimum. Some teams may ask for more. Make sure they are the best games you have played, both on offense and defense.
You should be in control of your own film. Make a YouTube channel, vimeo or sign up for another streaming service. Membership is free and you can upload as many videos as you want.
Acceptable Video – YOU Need to Read This
The quality of the competition is absolutely critical to getting a team overseas to watch your video. Low level and disorganized competition will not gain any attention from clubs overseas.
Open gyms, open runs, YMCA, Juco or high school is not high enough quality to get the interest from contacts overseas. You need to get the highest competition possible. Playing against adults in an organized competitive environment.
NCAA, NAIA, USPORTS are the best options for players from America. International players can use their country’s local competitions. The higher the level of competition the better.
Semi-Pro Leagues in the USA can be good options as well. Not all teams overseas will consider it but many will. It is important your team is organized and the competition is high level. Good effort on defense. Running organized sets and plays on offense.
Overseas Basketball Combine , exposure camps, and showcases in the USA will not get you a team’s interest. Take our word for it, or read this article for reasons why teams do not consider it a viable option to scout players.
More information on why USA overseas basketball combine film will not help you get overseas below.
Overseas Tour game film can work well due to the fact that you are usually playing overseas teams. Be selective on which tour you go on. If you take a tour to Latin America, don’t expect to use the film to help you get on a team in Europe.
Workout videos or clips of yourself working out will rarely get you anywhere. If you have some solid game film and you have had a few months off, it is possible that a team will want to see some workout film to make sure you are in shape. This is usually not the case though.
Mixtapes and slow-mo video clips are cool but not beneficial for coaches and scouts. It will get you some props from your friends and IG followers but will do nothing to get you signed.
EuroProBasket game film – Players in the EuroProBasket program play weekly games against European teams. The leagues that EuroProBasket team plays teams in are recognized around Spain and the rest of Europe. If you are asking yourself How to Play Basketball Overseas, we have your answer here in Valencia, Spain: Register to be part of EuroProBasket’s Professional Placement Program here.
Step 4: Get a Passport
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You cannot leave your country without a passport, with a few exceptions, which are not worth mentioning for this article.
You will need that passport to travel and on many occasions to register for an international team or league. Take care of that before you start your plans to go abroad.
Dual Citizenship and its Benefits in Overseas Basketball
You may have heard of players being dual citizens or having dual passports. This is one of the first things we recommend our players at EuroProBasket to look into.
If your parents were born in another country or have their citizenship in another country, you are eligible to receive yours as well.
You could possibly be eligible for another citizenship if your grandparents were born in another country. Do some research on your family’s historical background as it will greatly benefit you.
Why having dual citizenship is important?
If you have a European passport for example, you will be considered a European player instead of an import player. No visa is required to register you to a team and there are 3-5 times as many roster spots available for European Bosman A passport holders than there are for import players, or USA passport holders.
If you have citizenship in a specific country, it doesn’t matter the country, and there is a professional basketball league in that country, you will most likely be considered a local player. This has many benefits and will prolong your professional playing and even coaching career indefinitely.
Bosman A – Bosman B – Cotonou – The Differences
Bosman A
These passports are for citizens of the European Union. There are 27 countries in the EU with a few exceptions that are added to the list of Bosman A players. This is arguably the most beneficial passport to have in overseas basketball. You can find some interesting information about the bosman ruling and how it changed European and Ncaa basketball here.
Bosman B
These passports are countries in Europe but excluded from the European Union. Most European leagues have roster spots reserved for players with these passports. Registration to the league is typically less expensive than an import players registration. Players will need a visa to play and work in the country in which the team is located.
Cotonou
These passports are from developing countries, or third world countries in Africa and many Island Nations. Many leagues in Europe (Spain, Germany, Belgium, France, Switzerland,ect…) have roster spots specifically for these passport holders. Their registration fee to the league is cheaper for the team. They too need a visa to work and play in the country where the team is located. More about the cotonou agreement here.
Bosman A, Bosman B and Cotonou Countries Table
Bosman A
Bosman B
Cotonou
Cotonou cont…
Andorra (AND)
Albania (ALB)
Angola (ANG)
Liberia (LIB)
Austria (AUT)
Armenia (ARM)
Anguilla (ANL)
Macau (MAC)
Belgium (BEL)
Azerbaijan (AZE)
Antigua (ANT)
Madagascar (MAD)
Bulgaria (BUL)
Belarus (BLR)
Aruba (ARU)
Mali (MLI)
Croatia (CRO)
Bosnia-Herzegovina (BIH)
Bahamas (BAH)
Marshall Islands (MAI)
Cyprus (CYP)
Georgia (GEO)
Barbados (BAR)
Mauritania (MTN)
Czech Rep. (CZE)
Gibraltar (GIB)
Belize (BIZ)
Mauritius Island (MAU)
Denmark (DEN)
Israel (ISR)
Botswana (BOT)
Micronesia (MCR)
Estonia (EST)
Moldova (MDA)
Burkina Faso (BUR)
Mozambique (MOZ)
Finland (FIN)
Montenegro (MNT)
Burundi (BDI)
Namibia (NAM)
France (FRA)
North Macedonia (MKD)
Cameroon (CMR)
Nauru (NRU)
Germany (GER)
Russia (RUS)
Cape Verde (CPV)
Nigeria (NGR)
Greece (GRE)
San Marino (SMR)
Central Africa (CAF)
Palau (PLW)
Holland (NED)
Scotland (SCO)
Chad (CHA)
Papua New Guinea (PNG)
Hungary (HUN)
Serbia (SRB)
Cook Islands (COK)
Rwanda (RWA)
Iceland (ISL)
Switzerland (SUI)
Cuba (CUB)
Saint Kitts (SKN)
Ireland (IRL)
Turkey (TUR)
Dominica (DMA)
Saint Lucia (SLA)
Italy (ITA)
Ukraine (UKR)
Dominican Rep. (DOM)
St. Vincent & Grenadines (VIN)
Kosovo (KOS)
United Kingdom (ENG)
Eritrea (ERI)
Samoa (SAM)
Latvia (LAT)
Wales (WAL)
Ethiopia (ETH)
Senegal (SEN)
Lithuania (LTU)
Fiji (FIJ)
Seychelles (SEY)
Luxembourg (LUX)
Gabon (GAB)
Sierra Leone (SLE)
Malta (MLT)
Gambia (GAM)
Solomon Islands (SOL)
Norway (NOR)
Ghana (GHA)
South Africa (RSA)
Poland (POL)
Grenada (GRN)
Sudan (SUD)
Portugal (POR)
Guam (GUM)
Suriname (SUR)
Romania (ROM)
Guinea (GUI)
Tanzania (TAN)
Slovak Rep. (SVK)
Guinea Bissau (GBS)
Tonga (TGA)
Slovenia (SLO)
Guyana (GUY)
Trinidad and Tobago (TRI)
Spain (ESP)
Haiti (HAI)
Turks and Caicos (TKS)
Sweden (SWE)
Ivory Coast (IVO)
Uganda (UGA)
Jamaica (JAM)
Vanuatu (VAN)
Kenya (KEN)
Zambia (ZAM)
Lesotho (LES)
Zimbabwe (ZIM)
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Step 5: Make a Player Bio, CV or Resume
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Include Personal Information, picture playing or in a professional outfit
Include stats for every season, as detailed as possible as to not have team searching (remember teams and agents go through hundreds every week)
Add Highlight links and full game links so they are clickable
Add whatever accolades and achievements
Add references if you like
Save it in a pdf and have it on file so you can update it
Make it organized and professional looking
It only needs to be one or two pages
Leave out the self explanation, self scouting and NBA player comparison
Remember, less text is better, English is the 2nd, 3rd or 4th language of the person looking over your bio
Have it ready to send on your phone
We made an article specifically on how to make a basketball resume which can be found below.
Step 6: Network – How to Play Basketball Overseas
Use current contacts with coaches, trainers and teammates
Create and use social media accounts, most contacts abroad have facebook, linkedin and twitter. Some have instagram accounts.
Create your own website with all of your stats and video links if you can.
Step 7: Find an Agent – How To Play Basketball Overseas
A basketball agent will have the contacts to help you get your career started overseas. There is a lot you need to know about overseas agents though. We covered every detail in the article below.
Step 8: Best Opportunities to Play Overseas Basketball
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Visit the country you want to play
You’ve attempted Steps 1 through 7 of how to play basketball overseas. You still don’t have a team. Here are your options.
If you want to play in Japan, go to Japan and present yourself to teams. It is a big risk and very expensive but If you can walk in a gym and tryout for a team it makes your chances much higher that the team will give you an opportunity to sign with them.
There are obvious downsides to this option. Many teams only allow a certain amount of import players. Higher level teams have specific needs and there is a chance that you are not that exact fit for the team.
Showcase or Exposure Camp
Showcases in the USA are hit or miss. More miss than hit. Too many players, un-organized open run type of basketball. Most teams cannot afford to send a coach or GM to the US to scout a group of players. It is much easier and less expensive for them to contact an agent for players with professional experience.
Live streams mean a busy person needs to take time out to watch, taken into account the time difference. Don’t fall for the gimmick many camps and combines in the USA try to sell to players.
Agent showcases can be a good option. Usually only the top one or two players will be interesting for the agency.
Basketball Academies & Overseas Tours
These options take more of an investment but what is a career in basketball worth to you? Put yourself in the middle of a country or region that you are interested in living and playing basketball.
Downsides to a tour is that it can be difficult to get a good rhythm and perform in just a week or 10 days. You don’t have much time to practice and get accustomed to your tour team. You will be moving from one location to nother with many hours of travel. Tours are really difficult to time as teams sign players at different times of the year, so when is the best week for the tour? Your guess is as good as theirs…
Some are organized and done by professionals, most are disorganized and can be very uncomfortable and in some cases scary.
A basketball academy is your best all around option. If you want the most legit shot at going pro then why not select the best basketball academy, with the longest history of helping players sign with teams in Europe? Located in the largest basketball facilities in Europe in collaboration with one of the biggest clubs in Europe. EuroProBasket will help you get to the next level.
The best and most secure opportunity to start your professional basketball career overseas is with EuroProBasket International Academy. Here are 21 reasons why.
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Essentials to Play Basketball Overseas
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For many players these essentials to play basketball overseas will just be reminders. but still crucial to your success playing basketball overseas.
Complete Your Collegiate Playing Career
No one is going to deny that for an American player the most important and useful experience you can have is from a University basketball program.
There is no better place to get high level coaching and competition then in the American University system.
You cannot substitute the 4 years of basketball knowledge, coaching, experience, physical growth and mental maturity that a collegiate basketball career will give you.
That’s not to mention the actual degree that you can receive, paid for have you, from the University you attend.
Stay in school if you want a better chance at playing professional basketball.
Stay Prepared – How To Play Basketball Overseas
The worst thing that can happen is that you get a tryout and are not in game shape
You should be lifting weights, conditioning (running, sprints, hills, stairs, bike, plyometrics) skill work, playing 1v1 and 5v5.
Get with other overseas professional players and workout with them.
If you are not sure how to prepare, hire a professional basketball trainer that can help prepare a plan for you.
Be Active Networking and Making Contacts
Everyday is a new opportunity to meet someone that can help you in your pursuit to play basketball overseas.
Use your current contacts with coaches, teammates and trainers to reach new contacts.
When you meet people involved in basketball, exchange contact information with them. Reach out to them and develop a relationship.
Use social media to make new contacts around the world.
These are the suggestions on how to play basketball overseas by International Scout and CEO of EuroProbasket International Academy in Spain, Brad Kanis.
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Everything you need to know about the NBA rookie contract - Blogg on the floor - Blogs
In the summer, NBA clubs not only chase free agents and try to trade unnecessary assets to weaken the payroll, but also sign their rookies to the first contracts of their lives . On the one hand, it's quite simple - newcomers from the first round have standard contracts with a fixed salary. On the other hand, even in this simple scheme, there are many nuances that we will reveal today.
How is a beginner's contract different from a regular one?
First-round rookies have a long-established first-contract scheme. Unlike simple free agents (or second-round picks, or undrafted) who sign up for cap space or standard eliminations, first-round rookies have all salaries based on position in the draft. These figures were established back in 2011, when the Collective Agreement between the NBA and the players' union was signed, and the system itself has not changed since 1999 years.
The entire line of beginner contracts can be viewed at the link.
Beginner's contract is for 4 years. The first two are fully guaranteed, the third and fourth have a command option that must be used or rejected in advance. So, before October 31 of this year, the clubs need to decide whether to leave the current second and third years for the 2017/18 season. If the team rejects the option, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of the rookie contract, and the old club cannot re-sign him for more than the rejected option (to prevent the club from bypassing the rookie contract scheme and offering the player more money). Likewise, the Pacers went bust on Solomon Hill this summer—instead of using a measly $2 million option last year, Indiana didn't believe in Hill, who was able to get back in shape by the end of the season and perform well. in the playoffs, for which he received a huge contract from New Orleans. And Indiana, even if she wanted to (and she hardly wanted to), could not offer Solomon more than the previous 2 million.
Since rookie contracts are not subject to a salary cap, and the cap has skyrocketed over the past couple of years, clubs benefit from having as many of these cheap contracts as possible. The lack of rookie contracts no longer limits teams so much in their ability to sign a star to a maximum contract - everyone has a place under the ceiling for this - but it gives a chance not to overpay role players, but to invest exclusively in stars. It's better to have five Solomon Hills than one for the same price.
Average contracts in the NBA have grown so much that now second-round rookies (signed as free agents, for a spot under the ceiling) are paid more than those drafted at the end of the first. Now no one wants to be selected in the 20s - it's better to fall into the second round and get a contract that is not limited by any schemes.
Why do we need fixed amounts?
In the early 1990s, players began to bargain with their clubs before they made their debut in the league. The NBA saw dozens of strikes, with rookies like Glenn Robinson and Juven Howard demanding contracts like established stars (Glenn at 1994 asked for a 10-year contract for 100 million, received 70 in the end). And the league has introduced a clear cap on the salary of newcomers.
The player and the club have a small range for negotiations: the player can receive from 80% to 120% of the prescribed scheme. In practice, almost all beginners get the maximum 120%.
If a team suddenly decides that a player they have selected does not deserve a guaranteed fixed-price contract, they may relinquish rights to it. But the last time it was at 19In '96, when the Bulls, focused on Jordan's new record deal, decided not to sign their chosen Travis Knight, and he became a free agent.
Why is Brandon Ingram still not signed to LAL, but Zubac from the second round is signed?
As already mentioned, players from the second round are signed as free agents - they need to spend space under the ceiling. Therefore, Ivica was almost immediately given a three-year contract. At the same time, Ingram, until he is signed to his 120%, hangs in the payment at the 100% rate of his contract. In his case, 20% is 880 thousand, which are not yet taken into account under the ceiling, an additional opportunity to spend a little more on some free agent.
Players and club officials need to be careful what they say after the draft: in 1997, Antonio Daniels let slip that he would be signed for the maximum 120% - and since the league considers such statements official, they immediately wrote 120% instead of 100 on the Grizzlies' list %.
Teams with a place under the salary cap often sign first-round players in late July or even August, maximizing their free agent signing opportunities. And newcomers will not run away from them anyway. Although occasionally there were cases when newcomers refused to play in the Summer League without a signed contract.
Clubs can also prescribe bonuses in the beginner's contract (many do, but these bonuses are formal and almost always earned), but salary with bonuses cannot exceed 120%, and without bonuses - less than 80%.
If the player does not sign with the NBA club after the draft, then he is not taken into account at all in the payment. For example, Philadelphia's Dario Saric and his 100% bet were removed from the list for two years in a row, as the Croat remained playing in Europe.
Why is there still talk that Saric might not come?
After dragging his team to the Olympics, Saric announced that two years after the draft he was finally going to the NBA. But some of the ever-doubters won't believe it until they see the signed contract, and, as usual, it's about the money.
As the 12th pick in the draft, Saric is now eligible for a rookie contract (determined not by draft year, but by signing year) for a total of 10.9million over the next four seasons. However, if Saric signs in 2017, he could get much more.
If a rookie from the first round does not sign with the NBA club that selected them within three years, then after three years he can be signed as a free agent - that is, for any amount, up to the maximum (but not less than 120% of the required him a rookie contract). The term of such a contract may be three or four years. In this way, Chicago signed Nikola Mirotic (23rd pick in the 2011 draft) in 2014 to a three-year, $16.6 million contract, nearly three times his standard four-year salary.
If Satoranski and Kuzminskas get contracts with a salary of 3 million a year, Saric could get all 10 on average in a year. Saric's decision not to wait for big money, but to move to the NBA now, can only command respect.
What if a player needs to be bought out of Europe?
Remembering Mirotić once again, his contract with Real Madrid included a three-million buyout. NBA clubs are allowed to spend very small amounts on such things (650 thousand in the 16/17 season, for example), so Nicola had to pay 2.5 million from his own pocket. From the rookie contract, he would not have been able to immediately collect so much (in the first two years, he would have earned less even without taxes), which is why Mirotich waited in the wings for so long.
Even if the amount of the buyout is not so high, it is often not possible for players to immediately compensate a foreign club for terminating a contract. But a player can get up to 80% of their annual salary in advance. Such advances are also common - at least the player needs to find housing in a new city before the start of the season; for example, Ben Simmons has already received $1. 5 million of his $5.9 million from the Sixers without waiting for his first monthly paycheck.
What happens after the rookie contract?
If a basketball player has played all 4 years of his rookie contract, the club may offer him a "qualifying offer" - a mandatory offer of a one-year contract, necessary for the player to become a restricted free agent. Basketball players rarely accept this one-year contract - they usually agree on a more profitable and long-term contract with their own or another team (then the old one has the opportunity to repeat this contract and keep the player, as happened this summer, for example, with Allen Crabbe in Portland "). But there are times, like Monroe in Detroit, when a player accepts that one-year qualifier to get himself out of a club he doesn't want to play for.
The amount of the qualifying offer for a basketball player who played on a rookie contract is also fixed - 130% of the fourth year of the contract, but when determining whether the basketball player was at the start or whether he played 2000 minutes in the regular season - from this a qualifying offer may be more or less.
Clubs may not bring a player to the free agent market at all, even limited ones: a year before the end of the rookie contract (that is, three years after signing), the club and the player can agree in advance to extend the contract - last year so for an additional five seasons Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, Valanciunas, Kidd-Gilchrist, Henson, Ross, Lamb were renewed, and Giannis, Gobert, Caldwell-Pope and other players from the first round of the 2013 draft can apply for this. Until October 31, there is time to reach an agreement and not bring the matter to any qualifying proposals.
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Will the salary cap rise significantly in the coming years?
It won't be that strong anymore. The jump was attributed to the league's increased revenue from a new telecom deal that went into effect last season.
What is the reason for the trend that every even slightly good player is given the maximum wage or so? I do not remember such madness in the first decade of the century. Only superstars had maximum speeds.
Ceiling growth. More free money means more competition for players. There are no more stars, so the club, which they do not shine, are trying to give a big contract to the one who, in their opinion, has the greatest chance of becoming this star.
And there has always been madness. Once upon a time, Hot Rod Williams was the highest paid player in the NBA, once Horace Grant was in the top five, Juven Howard was in the top ten, Allan Houston, Ilgauskas, Jalen Rose, Keith Van Horn ...
As soon as the salary cap jumps, there is money that needs to be spent on someone.
How are supermax contracts calculated?
By supermax, I mean the highest maximum salary in the free agent market, but in general this term is not so clearly defined in the basketball environment. So, the supermax contract is 35% of the current salary cap in the first year of the contract. With the current ceiling of 99.093 million, the first year of the supermax will be 34,682,550.
Which players will be able to claim the biggest contract next off-season and will it be the biggest in history?
Only if they stay on their teams: Chris Paul and LeBron James. The contract should be the largest in history if they sign for 5 years. But in the case of Chris, there is a possibility that he will not sign the maximum (although it will still be a contract for 150+ million), and LeBron may leave Cleveland, and 200 million will only shine for him there. So there is some chance that both will not overtake Curry. But they can get ahead.
I started to delve into all topics related to contracts, and if it was easy to figure out Bird's rights, I still can't understand about mid-levels and bi-annulations. What's this?
In order for a team that has exceeded the ceiling to have more than just minimum wages at its disposal to strengthen the squad, exceptions have been invented.
One mid-level (“mid-level elimination”) is given to each team once a year. Depending on the situation with the payment system, there are three types of mid-level - full for 8.4 million (but it will set a hard ceiling), "non-tax" for 5.2 million and "room-mid-level" for 4.3 million, which is given to clubs that at first they were under the ceiling, and then they exceeded it. For example, the payroll of Houston by the start of the offseason exceeded the salary cap, so the club had a choice - full mid-level or non-tax. They used full on PJ Tucker and now they have a hard ceiling above them. And the Chicago bill was less than the ceiling (usual), so they have a room exception for 4.3 million in reserve, which they use on Justin Holiday (already agreed) after they first fill the place under the ceiling (up to 36 million ).
The bi-annual is also an exception, it is less than the mid-level (3.2 million), and is given every two years, that is, using it now, the club loses the right to it next year. The bi-annual also sets a hard ceiling over the team.
HARD CEILING
If a player is signed under a sign-and-trade scheme, how is it that the club is threatened with a hard salary cap?
The "Hard Ceiling" is just set over the team that got the player via sign-and-trade. This is one of three triggers that trigger a hard ceiling (the other two are using the full 8.4M midlevel and using the bi-annual exception). If a club receives a sign-and-trade player, then its payment cannot exceed the amount that is limited by the hard ceiling during this season.
What if the league's revenues plummeted, and with it the salary cap, as several teams could exceed the hard salary cap without even signing new contracts?
It has no reason to fall sharply - the agreement with television, which provides the league's main income, is valid until 2025.
All ceilings and boundaries, including the hard one, are set anew each season based on the league's revenue projections for that season. All these figures are calculated in July, before the free agent market opens, i.e. start of the offseason. If league revenues fall, there will be a new ceiling. The hard ceiling is not activated on all teams, you first need to conduct specific transactions (sign-and-trade, full mid-level, bi-annual) this season in order to get this hard ceiling over yourself - and on the first day of the off-season it is not over anyone. Therefore, it is impossible to exceed the hard ceiling in principle. If at the start of the off-season, the club’s payment exceeds the hard ceiling (as, for example, this year at Cleveland or Portland), then it simply does not have the right to those three types of transactions that would include this hard ceiling. And it functions above it, simply not having the opportunities for strengthening that clubs have under the hard ceiling.
Let's say that a team has a couple of MVPs, 10 people from different teams of the season and just good people. Many people want the maximum speed or amounts close to it. To what extent can this most rigid ceiling be exceeded, and is there any restriction at all for the extension of “one’s own” players under Byrd’s rights?
The Hard Ceiling is not for everyone, and Bird's rights will not include the hard cap. It can be exceeded as much as you like, if you do not use the full mid-level, biannual and do not take players by sign-and-trade.
The only problem with good people will be that the club can only give their rookies the maximum two contract extensions under the "Rose Rule" (30% of the ceiling instead of 25% if the player is MVP, Defensive Player of the Year or Team of the Season) and two supermaxes to their veterans (35% instead of 30%, same criteria).
For example, Curry got supermax in FGP. In 2019, Clay will be a free agent, and if he gets into the 18/19 team of the season, he can also qualify for the supermax. And if he signs it, and Curry will still be at the club by that time, then in 2020 Draymond Green, who, if he gets into the team of the season or receives the award for the best defensive player, will also qualify for supermax, will not be able to get it from the GSV. One will have to sign the "regular" maximum speed at 30% of the ceiling, and not at 35%.
Did I understand correctly that a team under a hard ceiling CANNOT re-sign their CA with a pay increase under Byrd's rights if it gets out of the hard ceiling?
Right. But by the time it comes to turning on the hard cap, their free agents are usually long overdue.
Luxury tax threshold and hard ceiling are also calculated as % of income ?
In principle, yes. The wealth tax is set at 53.51% of the league's income (from which certain types of income are deducted), then it is further adjusted by several factors.
The hard ceiling limit is always 6 million higher than the tax limit. In fact, a hard ceiling is just another sanction against taxpaying clubs - they say that you cannot simultaneously pay a large tax and enjoy all the same benefits as teams that do not pay it. You pay tax - choose: fit under a hard ceiling, but have all the exceptions, or pay tax without limit, but without the opportunity to strengthen the team with good players.
BUY
How is the contract redeemed?
The player and the club agree that the player will receive less money, in return for which he will become a free agent and will be able to go to the team he wants.
Are there any restrictions when buying a contract? Can the player refuse all the money under the contract?
Yes, the player can opt out of the entire contract if they wish. But it is unlikely that the union will allow this to be done - this will be a precedent and a violation of union ethics, because other clubs will nod at such a case in future buyout negotiations, they say, either refuse all the money like that dude over there, or we will not let you go.
What contract can a redeemed basketball player sign?
Any, from minimum to maximum. After the buyout, the player becomes a free agent and can sign with any club for any money available to him.
Can San Antonio trade Parker to another club where he buys out the contract and then signs on minimum wage back to the Spurs when he's healthy?
No, if a player is changed to another club, then he cannot return to the old team for a year (or until the end of the current contract, whichever comes first). “Rule of Ilgauskas” – it used to be 30 days, in 2011 the rule was changed and the period was extended to a year. Therefore, in the exchange, Parker will not be able to return to the CAS until July 2018.
And when a player is redeemed / expelled, does his salary remain on the payroll until the end of the contract? Is there any way to pardon this?
No, there is no way to remove the expelled player from the payroll. It is possible to paint his salary for more years - according to the formula (2n + 1), where n is the number of remaining full seasons under the contract. For example, the last year of the contract can be divided into three seasons for 1/3 of the amount.
Why, then, is Chicago trying to dump the Flash when he can just cut off the minutes?
If Chicago doesn't want Wade, they can agree on a buyout - Dwayne himself will keep part of his salary, but will become a free agent and can go to the contender. The benefit of the club is that the player gave up part of the salary in exchange for freedom. Just keeping a player on the bench, especially such an influential one, is bad. This destroys the atmosphere in the team and the relationship with the player's agent, who next time will not advise his clients to go to this club. You need to be able to find compromises and part amicably, even if you can’t exchange an unnecessary player.
In situations where a player declares that he does not plan to play for a new club, such as during the exchange of Crawford, can the team / league apply some kind of official sanctions to the player, they say, since there is a contract - work it out?
Disqualification and withholding of the entire salary for the time that the player rebels. This happened, the last time - with Kirilenko after the exchange to Philadelphia.
How about Chris Bosh's contract? Will he get all or just some?
Will receive everything, more than half will be reimbursed to the club by the insurance company, the contract will not be taken into account in the payment, since it was written off due to a medical event (end of a career associated with a risk to life).
SALARY GENDER
What is “salary gender”?
Each team is required to spend at least 90% of the salary cap on players' salaries per season. This season, the amount will be just over 89 million. If the club does not reach this mark by the last day of the regular season, then it pays the shortfall to its players, who distribute it among themselves. I paid 84 million for the season - kindly write a check for 5 million players that you have on the team (in those shares that they will determine among themselves or the union).
A What is the mechanism for this intra-team distribution? Is there a regulation or just how the bros agree?
Those who have played more than 41 matches receive a full share, more than 20 - half, at least one game - a quarter. But that's not NBA regulation. Perhaps there is something about this in the union's bylaws.
Why do the clubs, which by the end of the season do not reach the half of salaries, sign some left players, just to fulfill this very floor, instead of handing out a fine for not reaching the ceiling to their own players?
No, they don't sign. They are bartering. More precisely, they exchanged.
In the past, the CBA's salary floor was measured simply as the payroll amount on the last day of the season. To do this, the club could exchange a player with a salary of 10 million in the middle of the season, pay him the remaining 5 million until the end of the season, and he hangs entirely in the payroll. Saving. The new agreement changed the procedure for calculating the gender of salaries - now it is the amount of net payments to players, so now the clubs will definitely pay 89 million in salaries and so there will be no need to exchange other players.
Does the NBA have a progressive penalty for not reaching the salary floor for several seasons in a row?
There is no penalty for not reaching the floor. Technically, it is always achieved - either by salaries, or by salaries and the final payment to their players.
LIMITED FREE AGENTS
How long does a qualifying offer to a player last?
Until July 13, you can withdraw QO without the consent of the player, after 13 - only by mutual agreement.
The QO expires on October 1st and can be renewed if club and player agree, but this is not usually done. The player is still an OCA, but simply without the opportunity to sign a one-year contract, as was the case with Tristan Thompson in 2015.
As of March 1, a restricted free agent can no longer sign an offer from another team.
On June 30, you need to qualify again if no one signed the player, and the club wants to keep him as a restricted free agent. For the fourth year in a row, Toronto has issued a qualifying offer to Nando De Colo, for example.
What logic do GMs have when they give their Restricted Free Agents tons of money when no one even tried to voice the rest of the offers?
Who is voicing what - we, the public, do not always know. Not all negotiations are leaked to the press. Sometimes a club tries to "get ahead of the curve" if it feels that someone might give a player an inconvenient offer (for example, a shorter or longer contract, or a player option, or a trade kicker, or a signing bonus, or upfront payments and so on - not necessarily the case only in the amount of the contract). Sometimes this is done for loyalty to the player and the agent. Sometimes management just believes that a player will progress and just wants to tie him down more securely. The reasons are different.
After all, players are people too and may be offended that the club puts them on the market to "probe" the price. For example, one (albeit not decisive) reason for Hayward's departure from Utah is how the club allowed him to enter the market for an offer from Charlotte three years ago, instead of immediately giving him a contract.
After Otto Porter was offered a contract by Brooklyn, Washington had 48 hours to repeat the offer. Could a third team intervene in these negotiations?
No, I couldn't. Having signed the offer, Otto had two options - to become a player for the Nets or remain a player for the Wizards if they repeat the offer.
If in a year Washington decides to trade Porter, and he has already received an advance of 50% from them, who will pay the difference and will this affect the payment?
He did not receive 50%. He receives 50% of the salary in each season until the start of the regular season. This does not affect the payment in any way, just if Washington exchanges him during the season, the new club will need to pay him 50% less for the rest of this season than if there was no advance - but with the same usual amount in the payment.
Can a player selected in the first round become an unrestricted free agent immediately after the first contract?
No, unless the club decides to waive him (such as Barnes being waived by the FGM last summer to make room under the ceiling to sign Durant). But a player can take a "qualifying offer" for 1 year given by the club to make the player restricted free and become an NSA after one year. That's what Greg Monroe did when he wanted to leave Detroit.
EXCHANGE
Only units in the league have a veto on the exchange. How do players get it and why do so few players use it? And what does such an item give the team? Why didn't Cousins sign it?
To qualify for a contract veto, a player must have spent at least 8 years in the league and at least 4 years in the club that the contract offers him.
That's why Cousins didn't sign it - he wasn't entitled to such a clause.
It does nothing for the team, so they rarely offer such points. Usually only super dedicated players like Dirk or Duncan get veto power as a little insurance against the fact that some new manager or owner suddenly comes in and wants to get rid of the legend who wanted to spend his entire career at this club for some reason.
How did the Minnesota take on significantly more salaries in the Butler trade?
Minnesota was under the salary cap at the time of the trade (this is after the deal is done), so they could accept Butler's contract without even paying any salary at all. The difference in salaries (from 125% to 175% in different cases) is taken into account only when the club is behind the ceiling.
The Bulls in the Butler exchange received a trading exception, where does it come from and under what conditions can it be used?
A trading exception is generated when the salary of the given player (Butler) is greater than the sum of the salaries of the players they received in return (Lavigne and Dunn). The size of the exception is equal to the difference between outgoing and incoming salaries.
A trading exception can only be used in an exchange, accepting a player/players with a salary within this exception. But since the Bulls are now below the ceiling, they have lost that exception, because all exceptions count towards the ceiling until they are dropped.
How did you trade Hamilton for 3 million for Carroloa for 15 million?
The difference in salaries should only be considered if the club is below the ceiling. If, according to the results of the exchange, he is below him, then the amount of salaries does not matter. Brooklyn had more than 25 million to the ceiling, so Carroll fit easily.
How does the rule that prohibits a new exchange of players within 60 days after they are exchanged work?
If a club was over the ceiling and received a player in an exchange, then it cannot be combined with other players ("aggregate") in a subsequent exchange within 2 months. Hypothetical example: Oklahoma got George - and they are not allowed to arrange a trade for 2 months in which the salaries of George and Kanter are added together to get Harden. But she can immediately exchange one George for Wade, for example.
Is it allowed to add a trading exception to the outgoing salary for receiving several salaries that exceed the 125-175% rule in total?
Yes. If a team has, say, a 15M trade exception and a 20M player, it can get 15M players (for elimination) and 25M players (as 125% of 20) separately, for a total of 40. And it can be all in one exchange.
Any exchange can be divided into several transactions, if each part separately is legal. Moreover, each party in the exchange can split it in a way that is convenient for her, so that the same trade can look different for two teams. For example, in this hypothetical example, the other side might frame this trade not as a) 25 on 20 + b) 15 on the conditional peak of the second round (getting trade exceptions for five and fifteen million), but as a) 15 on 20 + b) 25 at the peak (getting a 25 million trading exception).
Does the payment take into account the cash received/given as a result of the exchange?
No, but he has his own limit for each team - up to 5.1 million can be given away per season and up to 5.1 million can be received in exchange.
The Clippers got 7 players in exchange for Paul. What about the roster limit of 15 people? Doesn't it work during the off-season?
In the off-season, the rosters are increased to 20 people.
NEW CONTRACTS
What is the maximum length of time a club-selected player can be drafted without a contract?
As many as you like until the player agrees with the club. If something doesn’t suit him, then he can notify the league about the “divorce” process, wait for the end of the contract with the club from the non-NBA, spend a year without a contract, and then the draft rights to him will expire. Nobody has ever done that. Atlanta still has the rights to 52-year-old Augusto Binelli.
On what factors does the amount of the newcomer's contract depend?
For newcomers from the first round, there is a clear scheme - www.cbafaq.com/scale17.htm - according to which they can sign a contract from 80% to 120% of the amounts indicated in the table, but they always sign 120%. There are no restrictions for second-rounders and undrafted players, except for the club's opportunities - they sign as free agents, for a place under the ceiling or for expulsion. Most often these are minimum contracts or a little more.
What is the maximum allowable salary for a player in the Development League?
There are three salary levels - 20k, 26k and 50k (for 4 "affiliated" players that the NBA club can farm without signing an NBA contract, but the players themselves are not required to go to the D-League). Starting this season, there are also bilateral contracts (two for each NBA club) under which the player will receive 75 thousand in farm and up to 200 thousand when he is called up to the main team (no more than 45 days per season).
If a player has a valid multi-year agreement with a club, can they, by mutual decision, renew it on more favorable terms for the player for a longer period?
Only if the club has room under the ceiling for this re-signing and the player has already spent two years on the current contract. The renewal period can be up to 5 years, taking into account the seasons remaining under the old contract.
Such extensions are very rare, but Westbrook and Harden were extended last season, revised towards the maximum salary for the 16/17 season and added one more year to the contract.
Does such an extension of Kawhi make any sense in the run-up to the next off-season?
Makes sense, of course. If there is an opportunity to extend Kawai immediately until 2022 or 2023, it should be used. But, perhaps, it will be more profitable for both the club and the player not to renegotiate the contract in the summer of 2018, but to give Kavai a super-maximum contract extension, which will enter into force in 2019 and will be valid until 2024.
How much one scenario is more profitable than another is a topic for a separate study which will take a very long time and fiddling with the calculator.
Is there a lot of confusion about contracts (like the recent case with Nene)? What is the most curious in your memory?
Confusion happens - sometimes even the league does not notice the catch, if it is not very noticeable. So once it was with the contract of Zach Randolph, in which one season was under the prescribed amount. But usually everything is checked and rechecked, and I can’t remember any really funny cases.
Why do you have the minimum wage for a veteran as 1.4 million, but everywhere on the Internet they write 2.1 million?
When a club signs a player for a minimum contract for 1 year, he pays him only the rate of a veteran with two years of experience - the same 1.47 million. And only this is taken into account in the payment. The league pays the rest. This is to ensure that clubs don't want to replace long-time veterans with cheaper players with 2-3-4 years in the league (and a correspondingly smaller minimum contract).
What is DeMarcus Cousins' top speed when he enters free agency? Will it be enough for Houston to dump Anderson to sign him?
The ceiling for the next season will be known only in a year, the maximum salary of Cousins will be more than 30 million in the first season of the contract. Houston will have about $40 million free agents without Anderson, but Paul needs to fit in that amount as well. So it's safe to say that it will not be enough for Houston to throw off Anderson to offer the maximum salary to Cousins. Most likely, it will not even be enough to dump everyone except Harden and Paul to sign him.
Why are game bonuses unpopular in the NBA?
Because the players don't want to sign them, and they are still included in the payment, so the GM doesn't need anything.
Is there any rule for distributing the contract amount over the years? The sums usually increase from the first year to the last one, are there any counter examples?
Of course there is. For Isaiah Thomas, the amount, on the contrary, fell. At Mozgov's, it fell in the second season - and rose again in the third and fourth. The amount of increase / decrease can be no more than 5% of the salary in the first season of the contract (8% - if the player could be signed under Byrd's rights). For example, if a player was signed for 20 million, then in each season his salary can fluctuate within 1 million from last year - 20-21-22-23 or 20-21-20-19or 20-19-20-20 or 20-21-20.5-20.7 and so on.
Is the player option limited in contracts?
Only the last season of any long-term contract (not counting 3-year offers and sign-and-trades) can be optional - the option salary cannot be less than the salary in the season before the option. And there are no more restrictions.
TOO RICH
Won't such large salaries lead to the fact that all the stars of the NBA will start to lose money and create super teams? There will be several superstar teams in the league, and some will be in the pit altogether.
So far, we have not seen a situation where the stars began to massively lose money. When max rates went from 1 million to 10, that didn't happen, so why should it happen when they went from 20 to 30? And the teams in the pit have always been and will always be, and here the problems are in the management of these teams, and not in the financial appetites of the stars.
Why is the league so against super teams?
The league is not a separate organization, it is an association of 30 team owners. If all the stars are collected in 3 clubs, then the other 27 will not like it.
Durant gave up the money, but Curry did not. Is this explained by the different status/influence on the team payroll of their contracts?
No, it can only be explained by the fact that Curry has been playing in this team for a long time, has done more for it than any other in history, and fully deserved his contract to the last cent.
Durant is a recruit, and if one of the club's players had to give up money for the owners' wallet (which they did not want to reveal in order to keep everyone on their maximum money), it was him, not Steph or Iggy.
Why do teams that mostly target veterans become league champions?
Veterans are simply better at basketball than youth. Especially in playoff basketball, where experience is often the deciding factor.
After 3 years of paying the luxury tax, the tax rate increases significantly for the following years. Have there been such precedents, and how much does it threaten the current Cleveland?
There were no precedents, Cleveland is in serious danger - after all, the last three seasons (in general, the mark is taken - 3 of the last 4 seasons) they paid tax. The Clippers are also in danger, but they are still below the tax line. Repeat offenders will need to add one additional dollar on top of the regular rate for every dollar over the tax line. For example, for the Caves right now, that's $52 million in taxes instead of the $35 they would pay as "ordinary taxpayers" rather than repeat offenders.
GRAY SCHEMES
Is it possible to sign a playing coach so that he receives part of his salary as a player and part as a coach?
No, this is prohibited by the rules of the Collective Agreement. Neither as a coach, nor as an assistant, nor as a cleaner can a player be hired. A club can only pay a player one salary, the one that counts under the salary cap.
How do you deal with a player being related to a franchise owner?
Prohibit doing so and impose sanctions that make it simply unreasonable to risk trying to circumvent the rules.
How does the NBA control fair dealings to meet the ceiling? What prevent clubs from paying players "in envelopes" or attracting free agents with expensive "gifts"?
Sports leagues cooperate with tax authorities. It is somewhat more difficult to carry out such gray schemes in the USA than in Russia. Look how often students come across illegal gifts (and these are very small amounts) - and in the NBA everything is much more transparent, and such tricks are too difficult to pull under the noses of the IRS, the league and the audit companies.
If someone gets caught on a gift, they will receive such sanctions from the league that it will not seem small. Not to mention the reputational risks for the player himself. Google the textbook example of Minnesota and Joe Smith. So it's better not to risk it. The stars themselves will not do this, and for the sake of roleplayers, creating such schemes is generally the dumbest idea.
Westbrook's contract is ending next summer, can he sign a new contract for, say, 5 million to please the team? Will the league allow this?
The league may allow it (but it is unlikely, because now the main mission of the league office is to counter the “super teams”), but the union will definitely not allow it. Such big discounts from superstars are too big a favor to the main enemy of the union - the owners.
And what does the non-resolution of the union look like?
As a request to the league to cancel this contract, as violating some provisions of the union's charter. They will find a formal reason.
BOSTON
Why did Ainge trade the first spade?
I can't speak for Ainge. But if he did not see the difference in talent between Tatum and Fultz (I can only cite his words, I don’t know how sincere that he would have chosen Jason with the first number), then this exchange is correct from all sides: Tatum is more needed in terms of position , the third peak takes 1.5 million less in payroll, an additional lottery peak in 2018.
Why does Boston need so many players in the LF position and how are they going to divide the time among themselves?
Wings are the most needed and versatile position in modern basketball. Look at the GSV, they have three wingers in the top five - Clay, Iguodala, Durant. All Boston LFs can play in other positions. The summer league shows that Brown is now viewed even more as a shooting guard. Tatum and Crowder can play PFA in light lineups. Morris is generally better suited to the role of a power forward. Hayward is used to playing three wings with Hood/Johnson/Ingles.
Hayward will replace Bradley; Tatum will play where Zherebko, Green and Young played last year (almost 2,000 minutes). Odzheleya and Nader will not have enough time, but they need to at least earn a contract first.
Why would Boston consider a trade involving Crowder, rather than simply signing Hayward as a free agent and then trading Crowder?
You couldn't sign Hayward first and then trade Crowder or someone else. To sign Hayward, you needed a place under the salary cap. Boston was short of about 4 million, so they first needed a trade to make room for Hayward's maximum contract. Found Bradley's trade for Morris.
Was Bradley's exchange imminent? And how might that affect team chemistry?
Team chemistry cannot be assessed or predicted. As for the inevitability... it's hard to admit, but apparently yes. One of the Smart-Bradley-Crowder trio had to leave to release Hayward's bill. Not in favor of Bradley played the status of the NSA in 2018. Ainge did not expect that he would be able to extend Thomas, Bradley and Smart. Smart young, Thomas the leader, Bradley would still have left in 2018 due to an overpriced contract that would have raised the luxury tax. So for him they got a player on a sane contract for two years and freed up a place in the payroll ...
But the exchange still deafened. Very disappointing.
By What chance do Boston have of renewing Isaiah Thomas next summer, assuming they've already cleared Hayward's payroll?
If Boston is ready to give maximum speed to Isaiah, then the chances are close to 100%. If not, then they sharply tend to 50/50.
It was necessary to clear the payment for someone else's free agent Hayward, because he can only be signed for a place under the salary cap. Isaiah Thomas is his own free agent, he can be re-signed over the Byrd rights ceiling, nothing needs to be cleaned up.
What can you give Boston to get a star a la Anthony Davis, Cousins?
There is a huge range between Davis and Cousins, both in terms of talent and their contract situation. The first is worth all the treasures of the world. The second is no more than 1 strong young player and 1 pick, judging by the exchanges of Paul George and Jimmy Butler. But I'm not sure Boston is even interested in Cousins. Last year, they were rumored not to even plan to try to trade him out of the Kings.
And what is the ideal squad for Boston?
Horford-Davis-Kawai-Hayward-Thomas with Townes and Harden on the bench. Maybe Durant too. What is your favorite NBA team and current player?
Team as favorite club - Boston, team as favorite roster - Sacramento 2002, current player - Kevin Love (BIG3 we don't count, right?)
Is Sacramento out of Jason "White Chocolate" Williams?